What the Vatican really thinks about those that oppose them – Ben Berrell

Ben Berrell writes:

Thought you all might like to read the evidence provided by Cardinal Pell at a Royal Commission being currently held in Australia. It is insightful in that it provides insights into how the “Vatican” views people who seek justice regarding sexual abuse.

Follow this link:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/george-pell-appears-before-child-abuse-royal-commission/5339904

It is also sad in that Pell is attempting to distance himself from the hardliners of the Vatican making out that the Australian Catholic Church is different from its Vatican counterparts. The reality is that is not the case and Australian Catholics seeking redress have been met with the same stony resistance that the Vatican employ. I for one will be glad to see the back of him as he makes his way into a “sheltered cushy role” that will further protect him from future scrutiny.

Mark Murray – Not A Mirfield Boy

Hello,

When I wrote on the  Mirfield Blog  just after it began,  in August 2011 I did not want readers to know my name.  When I posted or commented on the blog, I wanted to be  known as A Mirfield Boy – a safe name that could apply to dozens of seminarians from Mirfield.

However, a  comment by another person on the blog – it was around two years ago – made me think. Why am I remaining incognito.? What have I done  that is so wrong that I do not want other men, my ex seminarians, my friends – some  whom I am  very close to – not to know  who I am?

My name is Mark Murray, and not  A Mirfield Boy. Why hide?   So, I ‘came out’.  From then on,  I   was Mark Murray.

It is clear to me,  why, at that specific time,  I chose to be known as a Mirfield Boy – I did not want  readers of the blog to know about my time at Mirfield.  I was not ready to write and disclose, on the internet,  some of my experiences at Mirfield.

Dealing with the distorted  feelings  of guilt, shame, fear and many more emotions play a part in the process that many have to confront when coming to terms with the abuse they experienced as a child. The time to  talk,  disclose or write has to be right; the circumstances in peoples’ lives have to be right;  and those distorted feelings have to be looked at.

It  can take a long time to arrive at that position.    It  often takes  more time, energy and  courage than people can muster, and hence,  we have  many adults that were abused as children killing  themselves.

However, the Mirfield  Blog, has enabled, I believe, many people that otherwise would have suffered, and felt alone, to realise that they are no longer on their own.

Numerous children that were abused, especially by religious,  grow up,  believing the abuse only happened to them. Unfortunately, in my experience,  this only highlights and compounds their feelings of guilt and shame;  with the abused believing  that somehow,  they must have been responsible  for what happened.

It is good that the Mirfield Blog has helped many people to talk, write, discuss and think about their time at Mirfield.

The truth will come out. And for  those that need others there are others there – you are not alone.

What do others think.?

Best wishes to all,

Where is the happy stuff?

Mark

Father Charles Ramsey Writes….

I hope you dont mind an outsider writing into your blog, maybe especially since I am a priest, Mark Murray’s local priest in fact. Mark introduced me to your blog.

Reading your entries has brought me great sadness and anger, and also shame at the priesthood to which I belong, and also deep powerlessness at my inability to help address these issues other than in small ways. And this by no means for the first time, I must add. But also I’m very aware that these feelings are nothing compared to what many of you have experienced, and at a very tender and innocent age. It must surely take some courage to write as you’ve been doing. I have to say what you guys have been writing has also made me increasingly aware of the privilege it’s been to have walked alongside Mark and to have shared his journey over four years. Mark’s courage and humility in sharing his pain and seeking an apology is, to me, deeply impressive. As a priest I’ve met over thirty-two years many people carrying pain but and it always inspires me to meet those who have carried pain and huge disruption of life with dignity, balance and great courage, as Mark does and, from what I’m reading, as so many of you alongside him seem to do. During my life I’ve listened to several people who have suffered at the hands of people who exploit and abuse vulnerable people sexually, and I’m sure this is why I could more easily receive and understand Mark’s experiences.

I’m writing to express solidarity, if this is acceptable to you, (and I will understand if it isn’t.) It’s terrible to me that people treated this way should feel alone in their predicament as some of you have stated on the blog. This isn’t simply about individual predators slipping into an otherwise saintly church. For me its about a church culture which fails to perceive and address its own systems which blindside us to what’s going on – clericalism for example, and the puerile way sexuality is dealt with and the lack of real dialogue. I’m also writing to express my shame in regard to the examples of terrible behaviour and cover-up in the Church I represent and my deep regret at what has happened for all of you. Finally, I’m writing to offer my support, if this is relevant. These evils will keep occurring as long as we suppress painful truths. I believe we need to understand the causes and shape of this evil.

Mark came to ask my help towards seeking an apology from the Verona/Comboni Fathers four years ago. All he was asking of them was the acknowledgment of the pain and hurt caused by the way various Verona/Comboni priests used their seminarians as sexual objects when you were all young , innocent and vulnerable boys preparing to become priests. From this he hoped for some resolution and maybe a liberation which might come with acknowledgment – so crucial for healing. Hence I recall, even though well aware of the realities of this issue in the church, being shocked and angered, time after time, at the variety and shape of the brick walls Mark and I have met up with. Both society and church suppress their dark sides – but as one of you observed – this is distinctively different and much more crucial when it happens in the Church.

Thanks for your blog. It’s an important document – please keep it going.

Put some happy stuff on

The Mirfield blog, I believe, has been a very good way for people to write about their Mirfield memories. For some, the memories are good and happy, for others they are not.

Many people have written on the blog because, for them, they now feel, they have strength in numbers, a lot of people are watching and writing. This enables and helps them to write and communicate about what happened to them when they were children at Mirfield. It is, for many, the first time that they have been able to do this. It takes a massive amount of courage.

The truth, i am sure will come out.

A final point: a large number that write on the blog were never abused, but they write in support, and to those supportive people a massive thank you from Kevin and myself.
Keep on writing.

If there are people out there – and i know there are – put some good and happy stuff on about Mirfield.

Come on Mick! — and all the others!

Mark

Mirfield Football Memories – 1965

Thanks Gerry.

Click on the link below – four years before my time, but sill very interesting.

Mark

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Here are the names of the team:

The Verona Fathers team 1965, which played at Roe Head. Pictured are Michael Moroney (from Wallasey), Peter Hall (from Bolton), John Brown (from Belfast), Eddie Roberts (Stockton), Gerry McLaughlin (Greenock in Scotland), John O’Shea (Liverpool), Joe Gitos, Martin Murphy (Liverpool), Peter O’Hagan (Liverpool), ‘Spike’ Brown (Leeds), Paul Deegan (Port Glasgow in Scotland) and Father John Pinkman (Liverpool).

http://www.mirfieldreporter.co.uk/news/nostalgia/nostalgia-looking-back-at-80-years-of-mirfield-sunday-school-league-1-6484368

Pope Francis on abuse — a disappointment ——————– by Thomas P. Doyle

Written By Tom Doyle

Pope Francis has astounded, thrilled, encouraged — and disappointed people from the moment he walked out onto the balcony of St. Peter’s attired in a white cassock and not in the layers of pontifical finery as has been customary for newly elected popes.

He has said and done much in his first year that has given encouragement to those hoping the institutional church will finally start to look and act like the Body of Christ. But everything he has done is muted by the reality that as far as the church’s most profound problem and greatest challenge is concerned, he has done almost nothing.

His comments about clerical sex abuse reported March 5 in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera make it clear that he is using the same tired and irrelevant playbook the bishops have worn out over the past few years.

The worldwide scourge of sexual violation and abuse by clergy of all ranks, publicly revealed since the mid-1980s, is a blight on the face of the church that makes the other problems pale by comparison. Money laundering and the related financial scandals are certainly sensational and scandalous but they are nothing compared to the lying, manipulation and harsh response to victims that have marked the sexual abuse issue since it first became public knowledge.

A year has passed and Pope Francis’ moves have been minimal. He made sex abuse a crime in the Vatican City State, a move so meaningless it is almost comical. He has not made a major or even a minor pronouncement about the problem and he has done little about bishops who have enabled perpetrators. In July of last year a bishop accused of violating minors was quickly laicized (Auxiliary Bishop Gabino Miranda of Ayacucho, Peru), a sound move for sure, but what of the bishops who have continued to harbor criminal abusers and punish innocent victims by encouraging brutal tactics in the civil courts?

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Three months ago the Vatican announced it would establish a commission of experts to study the problem, yet to date nothing has been done. The pope doesn’t need another commission and more experts to create more reports with more public expressions of concern. Without doubt any such commission would approach clergy sex abuse from the perspective of the needs of the institutional church with the primary goal the restoration of its credibility. That’s the way it has worked with every church appointed commission on any level. Doing it that way is doing it backwards.

The first order of business should be the pastoral care and spiritual welfare of the countless men and women whose lives have been shattered and whose souls have been deeply wounded by the sexual abuse itself and by the subsequent spiritual abuse inflicted by the church’s leaders. The victims and people in general don’t need any more proclamations telling them what they already know.

There is only one category of response that is acceptable and that is decisive action. No more secrecy. No more denials. No more self-praise and above all, no more tolerance of bishops who have spent millions of donated dollars and Euros trying to preserve themselves at the expense of their victims.

In his interview with Corriere della Sera Wednesday, Francis sounds like he is reading from a script that should have been abandoned years ago: “The Catholic church is maybe the only public institution to have moved with transparency and responsibility … No one else has done more. Yet the church is the only one to be attacked.” Unfortunately Holy Father, the Catholic church has not moved with transparency and responsibility. It has done just the opposite. Whoever prepared the pope’s briefing papers on the sex abuse issue ought to be fired.

Pope Benedict may have, as the pope said, been “courageous” in confronting the scandals but what he did should not have been an act of courage but a normal, expected response to a nightmare that has been sinking the church’s credibility and effectiveness and ruining innocent members. Pope Benedict did more than any other recent pope and certainly far more than John Paul II, whose inaction amounted to further enabling of the bishops. Yet his words were followed by some bureaucratic steps but no decisive action that gave hope to victims and survivors.

When the U.N. released its blistering critic of the Holy See’s culpability in the sex abuse crisis, the Vatican reacted with its customary narrow-minded arrogance, accusing the U.N. panel of not understanding how the church works and of interfering with sacred doctrinal issues. Part of the sting in the report was precisely that the committee did understand how the Vatican system works and didn’t fall for the smokescreen that it is only responsible for the territory of Vatican City. As far as the doctrinal issues are concerned, those brought up in the report all have direct bearing on the plague of sexual abuse perpetrated by clerics and covered by the leadership. The pope probably saw the report or at least parts of it. That report and the victims who testified before the U.N. commission in Geneva should constitute the mandate and membership of the promised commission, not bishops and cardinals who have been part of the problem and can hardly be part of the solution.

The survivors of abuse and countless others from the church and from society in general have been waiting for three decades for evidence that the institutional church “gets it.” There not only is no real evidence that it has, but from all appearances the hierarchy will remain on the defensive, hoping the problem will go away. There will continue to be change and progress in the world-wide efforts to bring healing and justice to victims and to force the church to be accountable but the agents of this will continue to be the same ones who have been forging the way since the beginning: the survivors and their supporters.

At this stage the best thing the institutional leadership could do is follow a bit of solid military tactical advice: “Either lead, follow or get out of the way.”

[Tom Doyle is a priest, canon lawyer, addictions therapist and longtime supporter of justice and compassion for clergy sex abuse victims. He is a co-author of the first report ever issued to the U.S. bishops on clergy sex abuse, in 1986)

A Personal Note from Mark Murray

My mum died three years ago. My dad died, in 1981, not long after I came back from Uganda, where I worked for a couple of years as a Verona Brother.

If my mum and dad were alive today, and, if, they had become aware of the Mirfield abuse that took place – not only in the 1970’s, but also, as it now seems, throughout the 1960’s – they would feel totally betrayed, devastated and saddened in a way that words, from me , cannot begin to describe.

There are men, I am communicating with, that tell me they are unable to ‘go public’ about their experience at Mirfield, because, either, one or both of their parents are still alive. It would be too difficult for their parents to comprehend and accept what their children experienced. Their parent’s pain would be enormous. They prefer, therefore, to remain silent “until they have died”

People often ask, why those that were being abused did not report the abuse, or at least talk to their family about what was happening to them, why wait decades before they talk?
It can be a monumental and courageous task, to talk about the abuse suffered, and even more, I believe, to write about it on the internet. It can take years and years to come to that position. I hope the blog gives, those people, that have not been able to talk or write about what they experienced at Mirfield, the message of support, solidarity and courage, and more importantly the knowledge that they are not alone.

Thanks,

Mark Murray

Fr Charles thank you from Degs

I sat down tonight to post some of my thoughts but I was astounded by the latest post by Fr Charles Ramsey .What can I say? .
I have met Fr Charles briefly on the seafront at Llandudno and Mark had spoken to me of his help and friendship over the past few years. To be honest I had thought that these were token gestures. How could a local parish priest, who had only known Mark and his family for a relatively short time, give such genuine support and understanding when the order that we were all part of have done the reverse.
Damage limitation has been the order of the day , no admissions just denial, lay fault anywhere except on your own doorstep.
The abused need to be believed !! , for once they are, then and only then will the abuse end. On the grape vine (yes it works both ways ) I have heard that the order think that the abused are driven by the hope of financial compensation. I have come to the conclusion that the inaction of the order ,the reluctance to talk is driven to protect their own material wealth.
From my understanding the abused sought only closure. The inaction of the order has forced the issue ,once the ball starts to roll it must run its course.
Fr Charles you cannot imagine the effect you post will have and I myself owe you an apology. You are indeed a man of principle I wish you all the best.

Kevin Deignan

Father Charles Ramsey Writes….

I hope you dont mind an outsider writing into your blog, maybe especially since I am a priest, Mark Murray’s local priest in fact. Mark introduced me to your blog.

Reading your entries has brought me great sadness and anger, and also shame at the priesthood to which I belong, and also deep powerlessness at my inability to help address these issues other than in small ways. And this by no means for the first time, I must add. But also I’m very aware that these feelings are nothing compared to what many of you have experienced, and at a very tender and innocent age. It must surely take some courage to write as you’ve been doing. I have to say what you guys have been writing has also made me increasingly aware of the privilege it’s been to have walked alongside Mark and to have shared his journey over four years. Mark’s courage and humility in sharing his pain and seeking an apology is, to me, deeply impressive. As a priest I’ve met over thirty-two years many people carrying pain but and it always inspires me to meet those who have carried pain and huge disruption of life with dignity, balance and great courage, as Mark does and, from what I’m reading, as so many of you alongside him seem to do. During my life I’ve listened to several people who have suffered at the hands of people who exploit and abuse vulnerable people sexually, and I’m sure this is why I could more easily receive and understand Mark’s experiences.

I’m writing to express solidarity, if this is acceptable to you, (and I will understand if it isn’t.) It’s terrible to me that people treated this way should feel alone in their predicament as some of you have stated on the blog. This isn’t simply about individual predators slipping into an otherwise saintly church. For me its about a church culture which fails to perceive and address its own systems which blindside us to what’s going on – clericalism for example, and the puerile way sexuality is dealt with and the lack of real dialogue. I’m also writing to express my shame in regard to the examples of terrible behaviour and cover-up in the Church I represent and my deep regret at what has happened for all of you. Finally, I’m writing to offer my support, if this is relevant. These evils will keep occurring as long as we suppress painful truths. I believe we need to understand the causes and shape of this evil.

Mark came to ask my help towards seeking an apology from the Verona/Comboni Fathers four years ago. All he was asking of them was the acknowledgment of the pain and hurt caused by the way various Verona/Comboni priests used their seminarians as sexual objects when you were all young , innocent and vulnerable boys preparing to become priests. From this he hoped for some resolution and maybe a liberation which might come with acknowledgment – so crucial for healing. Hence I recall, even though well aware of the realities of this issue in the church, being shocked and angered, time after time, at the variety and shape of the brick walls Mark and I have met up with. Both society and church suppress their dark sides – but as one of you observed – this is distinctively different and much more crucial when it happens in the Church.

Thanks for your blog. It’s an important document – please keep it going.

Anthony Smith – Verona Fathers 1965/1966 – has sent some pictures

anthony pics

Here are some photos taken of me at the VF 1965/1966.

Top left is me at home playing cricket. Top right and i am the boy on the left.

Forget next picture, that was me in the Royal Navy, end lad. The bottom picture

I am third from left front row, with flat cap on. The only other person i can remember

on the picture is the old lady at the end on the right, who was Henry Piwinski. Henry

went to the same primary school as me, and i knew him well at the time. I am told

he lives in Bridlington, haven;t seen him since VF. I can’t name the boy next to me

either, he must have been a friend though. Any ideas who the others are?